RE: Encryption

[Wolverine]

For some reason I was able to make this thread in the other forum, now it says I dont have permissions to reply to it, whatever.

I guess I am a little dissapointed in the whole encryption thing. I spent a crapload of hours pouring through the code of the vbwar version that I use now fixing bugs and trying to make it how I want it to work. I know little about php coding and had to learn along the way just to make the damn thing work. I'd say thats a pretty fair level of dedication to a script when there ARE other choices. Ok, not tons of em, but choices nonetheless.

You seem to think that the code for this makes vbulletin pale in comparison...well thats your opinion and since its your baby I guess thats all that matters.

I for one am NOT going to spend money for a php script that has me at it and its authors mercy. I will be upgrading to vbulletin 3 very soon as well as vbportals 3...shame vbwar wont be a part of the package for me, sigh.

Good luck with your project....sadly heads to make front page news post. :(

[Dark_Wizard]

For some reason I was able to make this thread in the other forum, now it says I dont have permissions to reply to it, whatever.

I guess I am a little dissapointed in the whole encryption thing. I spent a crapload of hours pouring through the code of the vbwar version that I use now fixing bugs and trying to make it how I want it to work. I know little about php coding and had to learn along the way just to make the damn thing work. I'd say thats a pretty fair level of dedication to a script when there ARE other choices. Ok, not tons of em, but choices nonetheless.

You seem to think that the code for this makes vbulletin pale in comparison...well thats your opinion and since its your baby I guess thats all that matters.

I for one am NOT going to spend money for a php script that has me at it and its authors mercy. I will be upgrading to vbulletin 3 very soon as well as vbportals 3...shame vbwar wont be a part of the package for me, sigh.

Good luck with your project....sadly heads to make front page news post. :(


Nobody said the vBWar code paled in comparison to vbulletin but it is very close in complexity. As for the encryption I am sorry you feel this way but nonetheless it is your choice.

I am not going to have my code out on every warez site because it's not encrypted and not for nothing but I check these sites regularly and report back to everyone who has had their scripts stolen from vb.org, vb.com, vbtemplates and vbadvanced. This is my protection for my hard work and I will not change it.

I also know there isn't anything out there that compares to vBWar in it's features and integration with vbulletin. If you change your mind you know where to go.

[Wolverine]

Nobody said the vBWar code paled in comparison to vbulletin but it is very close in complexity.
I was only referring to things you had mentioned back a while. Something to the effect of how much work it was to code this and how (if I recall correctly) you said how your script had more templates than vbulletin. Guess I read you wrong there, shrug.



If you change your mind you know where to go.
I will certainly continue to follow your project as I find it interesting. Just wont be using it. No disrespect intended here, but I dont know you from adam and I dont like to pay for let alone put a bunch of code on my site that I have absolutely no clue as to the contents thereof.

I just hope that since users cant fix things themselves that this version gets the support that encrypted files and pay per use demands. Will be watching :)

[Dark_Wizard]

I was only referring to things you had mentioned back a while. Something to the effect of how much work it was to code this and how (if I recall correctly) you said how your script had more templates than vbulletin. Guess I read you wrong there, shrug.




I will certainly continue to follow your project as I find it interesting. Just wont be using it. No disrespect intended here, but I dont know you from adam and I dont like to pay for let alone put a bunch of code on my site that I have absolutely no clue as to the contents thereof.

I just hope that since users cant fix things themselves that this version gets the support that encrypted files and pay per use demands. Will be watching :)


This project as well all the projects I and Natch are working on have top priority with support and there will be a support forum for those who buy it. I think that we have shown based on the amount and timely releases of the beta's.

What really disappoints me is that you are basically refusing to support us because we are encrypting the code which tends me to think in ways I would rather not discuss.

Just an FYI, most coders now that have projects as big or bigger than vBWar do encrypt their work because of the big increase in warez sites. I and Natch have worked very hard on this script and yes it compares to vbulletin in complexity and comes very close to the amount of coding.

Lastly I know there is nothing close to vBWar in features or even with the integration into vbulletin so I wish you luck in your search.

[Wolverine]

This project as well all the projects I and Natch are working on have top priority with support and there will be a support forum for those who buy it. I think that we have shown based on the amount and timely releases of the beta's.

What really disappoints me is that you are basically refusing to support us because we are encrypting the code which tends me to think in ways I would rather not discuss.

Just an FYI, most coders now that have projects as big or bigger than vBWar do encrypt their work because of the big increase in warez sites. I and Natch have worked very hard on this script and yes it compares to vbulletin in complexity and comes very close to the amount of coding.

Since we are having this conversation its probably a good idea at this point to mention that I really am not trying to flame you here or cast a shadow on your project.

As I said before, I spent a ton of time trying to make your last script fully functional on my site because from what I could see at the time it was the only game in town, so I was willing to roll up my sleeves and learn about things. Now I am not talking a button here or a word there, I am talking functionality. I know little about programming and so the work I did was as hard for me as what you are doing now is for you. Along the way in addition to fixing things that were broken, I was tweaking things here and there to suit my own personal needs. Now, if I move on to your current version I will no longer have the ability to do that and yes that pisses me off a bit.

As far as protecting your work, good for you , super, more power to ya bud. I think however that the end user will have to now pay the price for that. "I need this, I want that to work this way, this doesnt seem right to me" etc etc etc...instead of having the ability to fix things within the scope of my abilities I now have to hope like hell you are willing to do what I want and if you are how many months of backlogged stuff do you already have?

Not quite sure what you were tying to hint at above there, but we dont need to flirt with that edge. My motives are simple, to have a script that works for me that I can also change as I see fit to suit my needs/tastes. I have absolutely no ill intentions and if thats what you are implying then perhaps there is a great deal of paranoia amoung coders these days.

No sarcasm meant at all here, but why the heck doesnt vbulletin encrypt their data. They certainly stand to loose far more income than you do from piracy.

[Dark_Wizard]

Natch and I are improving vBWar everyday hence all the betas. There will always be and continue to be improvements, new features and such and without any additional costs. Have you even though of asking us if we can do this or that? No, instead you come off with a pissy attitude about you not being able to make changes and that the encryption is a bad thing.

As far as vbulletin not encrypting is very simple, they have a far larger customer base than what we have here so they can afford to lose a few sales to piracy, we cannot. There has been alot of sweat and blood in this project and I stood by my word when I said this will be the best clan script out there, bar none. Even the coding in vBWar is better than vbulletin in some instances and Natch will attest to it as he asked my permission to use it elsewhere.

You also have no idea whats in store for vBWar, there are alot of features not even posted or included yet as we need to make the core code stable first. Once the code is stable you will see things that no other script will have nor care to do due to it's complexity.

Have you even tried the new vBWar 3.0? Lastly the vBWar 2.x had bugs yes but I wasn't going to spend a great deal of time with it as I knew vbulletin 3.0 was around the corner, instead I kept looking around for ideas and features that I could integrate into a new and improved product.

Next time you flame a developer...why don't you consider this, we do this to make peoples lives easier and to get more enjoyment out of what they do, we also would like the respect for our hard work that we share with you and not be criticized for protecting it.

[Rushty]

Well said DW, although I hate not being able to read the code I can see DW's point that he has to protect his investment if he released an unprotected version every bugger would copy it as theres way to many people out there without any scruples. DW & Natch are doing an excellent job and are quickly on top of the bugs being posted (and they havent told me to sod off and stop posting em yet LOL ;) ). This is the best script I have seen for managing clans and with a few extra features (waiting for final release before I go bug em for them he he) will be near perfect.

[Wolverine]

DW, I opened by saying my intention was NOT to flame you and your project. I think you are starting to get a little defensive and its showing in your replys to me.

Calm down just a tad and for the first time in this conversation try to see my point of view. I have certainly stepped up and said here how I understand yours.

[[CoD]Rooster]

What I am wondering is if we want to integrate this with other hacks are you guys willing to help do so since the code is encrypted ? I wanted to add things like give people on certain clan rosters the ability to use the arcade and other small enhancements like that. Are these going to be completely dependant on your help or will their be room for modifications by the users ?

[Dark_Wizard]

Rooster']What I am wondering is if we want to integrate this with other hacks are you guys willing to help do so since the code is encrypted ? I wanted to add things like give people on certain clan rosters the ability to use the arcade and other small enhancements like that. Are these going to be completely dependant on your help or will their be room for modifications by the users ?

Part of your paying for this hack is to help further develope it, and one of those ways is to help others with what they need added or features they would like to have. As for the arcade stuff this would be through usergroup permissions and not vBWar as vBWar is also based on usergroup permissions.